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Ep 72: Human Connection at Work Is Broken. Here’s What Actually Works

What if the highest-ROI program in your organization isn’t a new tool or a new hire, but a mentoring program built on psychological safety?

Episode Summary

Most organizations reach for a new survey tool, a values refresh, or a round of mandatory trainings when they want culture to change. Mentoring programs, meanwhile, often get written off as nice-to-have — a checkbox with limited real impact. Artimisha Curl, Head of Inclusion, Diversity, Equity & Belonging at El Camino Health, proved otherwise: she built a mentoring program grounded in psychological safety that doubled as leadership development, professional development, and culture building all at once — and it’s become one of the highest-ROI moves in her organization. In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins talks with Artimisha about the pilot program they built together, why most mentoring programs don’t work, and how this one is already reshaping culture at El Camino Health.

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Ep 71: Stop Marketing Harder. Become a Better Coach — and Connector

What if becoming a better coach and connector, not just a better marketer, is the real path to sustainable growth?

Episode Summary

In this solo episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins breaks down why surface-level networking and activity aren’t enough, what it really means to lead and coach below the surface, and why your deepest differentiator in the AI age has nothing to do with technique.

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Ep 70: Is Organizational Coaching Actually Working? AI, Capacity & What Organizations Get Wrong

Why do companies hire a coach instead of fixing the real problem?

Episode Summary

In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins sits down with Katherine Lord, MSW, LSW, Director of Organizational Member Experience at ICF Coaching in Organizations for a candid conversation about what coaching actually does, and doesn’t do, why “ROI” is the wrong lens, and how organizations use coaching to avoid holding up the mirror to themselves.

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Ep 69: Why You Over-Function (and How to Stop)

What if healing your inner child could unlock the wisdom of your ancestors?

Episode Summary

In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins sits down with Tamala Floyd Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Psychotherapist, and the first Black IFS lead trainer for a raw and revelatory conversation about Internal Family Systems (IFS), ancestral trauma, and what it really means to heal below the surface.

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Ep 68: HR Is Not Your Friend. Or Are They?

Is HR really your friend? In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins sits down with two seasoned HR veterans, Turiya Gray (HR Unconfidential) and Krista Lane (HR Peep Show) for a candid, unfiltered conversation about what it really means to work in and with HR

Episode Summary

In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins sits down with two seasoned HR veterans, Turiya Gray and Krista Lane, for a candid, no-holds-barred conversation about the reality of working in and with HR. From performance review politics to AI-driven layoffs, they unpack what HR is really for, who it actually serves, and what grounded HR leadership looks like.

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Ep 67: Who Are You, Really? Astrology, Identity & Grounded Leadership

What if the stars could help you understand your identity, your growth, and your next chapter? In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins reunites with identity and belonging coach Erin Corine Johnson for a deeply personal and expansive conversation about astrology, decolonizing coaching, and what it really means to show up for yourself and others below the surface.


Episode Summary

From the broom closet to full visibility, Erin shares how astrology became a grounding tool in her coaching practice and how it helped LaTonya make sense of some of her biggest life transitions. Together they explore how your sun, moon, and rising signs can reveal the way you move through the world, how the lunar cycle can inform your energy and decision-making, and why the most powerful coaching sometimes looks nothing like traditional coaching at all. This is a conversation about identity, intuition, and what becomes possible when we stop letting capitalism define how we show up for each other.

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Ep 66: Money Below the Surface: How Our Stories, Systems, & Nervous Systems Shape Financial Choices

What does your relationship with money really say about you — and the systems you were raised in? In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins sits down with financial coach and trainer Saundra Davis for a raw, wise, and deeply human conversation about money, trauma, and economic justice.


Episode Summary

Drawing from decades of experience at the intersection of financial coaching and economic justice, Saundra unpacks why so many people — especially people of color — struggle with money, and why that struggle has far less to do with personal failure than with systems designed to extract wealth from those least equipped to fight back. This episode offers compassion, clarity, and a reframe of what it truly means to build wealth.

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Ep 65: Why Many Leaders and Coaches Feel Ready for Something Different

Many leaders, coaches, and consultants are realizing that frameworks, models, and traditional leadership training no longer meet the complexity of today’s workplace.

Episode Summary

In this episode of Leading Below the Surface, LaTonya Wilkins explores what’s no longer working, what leaders are craving right now, and why presence, trust, and community have become essential to how we lead and coach. This conversation is grounded, reflective, and designed to help you name what you may already be feeling.

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Ep 64: Trauma-Informed Coaching—What It Is, and What We Often Get Wrong with Lion Goodman

What does trauma-informed coaching really mean—and how does it go far beyond what most coaches understand? In this conversation, Lion Goodman shares his unforgettable story of surviving four gunshots, his journey through trauma and healing, and why most coaching models completely miss the mark.Whether you’re a coach, leader, or simply someone trying to support others more deeply, this episode of Leading Below the Surface will shift how you think about trauma, memory, and healing

Episode Summary

What does it really mean to be trauma-informed—and why does this matter far beyond therapy? In this deeply personal and educational episode, LaTonya Wilkins sits down with Lion Goodman, coach, author, and founder of the Clear Beliefs Institute, who shares his incredible story of surviving being shot in the head four times—and how that life-altering moment shaped his approach to healing and leadership.

Lion breaks down the difference between surface-level coaching and therapeutic coaching, how trauma shows up even in “successful” people, and how we can begin to unhook the past to truly move forward. Whether you’re a coach, a leader, or someone who wants to support others more skillfully, this conversation is rich, grounded, and unforgettable.

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Ep 63: How to Reflect on a Year of Quiet Growth — and Move Forward With Intention

In this reflective episode of Leading Below the Surface, I share the lessons that quietly shaped my year — not through dramatic milestones, but through slower growth, healing, and learning to listen more closely to my body and intuition.

Episode Summary

We explore why intentions can sometimes be more powerful than rigid goals, the science behind setting “soft stretch” goals that keep us motivated, and how manic manifesting can actually create anxiety rather than momentum. I also talk about endings, quiet healing, and why the next step forward is often already right in front of us.

If you’re entering the year feeling reflective rather than rushed — and craving clarity instead of pressure — this conversation is for you.

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