Podcast Summary Transcript:

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[00:00] Welcome & why this conversation matters

• LaTonya introduces the episode, naming dominant leadership standards and why they’re so present in organizations right now.
  
  
• She shares how she met Kvon in a BIPOC coaching space and why his work at Consciously felt different from the start.
  
  

[03:30] Kvon’s turning point: suicidal depression and a life he didn’t choose

• Kvon describes hitting a suicidal depression in his late 20s and realizing he was living a life others had scripted for him.
  
  
• Therapy became a lifeline and opened the question: “Who is Kvon and what life do I want?”
  
  

[08:00] Discovering coaching and the path into Big Tech

• A mentor “prescribed” coaching training after watching him facilitate, and Kvon walked out of his first course knowing this was his life’s work.
  
  
• Sharing his perspectives on LinkedIn led to roles in manager and leadership development at Netflix, Amazon, and Google.
  
  

[13:00] Inside the “dream companies” – and the dark triad

• Kvon talks about arriving at Netflix and quickly realizing “this place is crazy” beneath the glossy brand.
  
  
• He names the dark triad traits (narcissism, psychopathy, and duplicitousness) that often get rewarded and how they show up in corporate politics.
  
  

[18:30] Hypergrowth, fear, and the cost to human bodies

• At Amazon, Kvon saw firsthand how a culture built on speed and hypergrowth can chew people up and burn them out.
  
  
• He contrasts “good for business” metrics with what chronic pressure and speed do to people’s health and relationships.
  
  

[24:00] Google, “finding the right kind of crazy,” and what still didn’t fit

• Google felt “cushier” and more aligned, but under the surface it was still large tech with fear-driven leadership and growth-at-all-costs.
  
  
• Kvon realized the senior leaders’ priorities (profit, survival, reputation) didn’t match his own values of love, wellness, and liberation.
  
  

[29:30] Fatherhood, Costa Rica, and redefining success

• Becoming a father made Kvon confront a promise: he would not be a full-time employee and full-time dad at the same time.
  
  
• He built up his coaching practice, left Google on his daughter’s first birthday, and moved his family to Costa Rica to live more intentionally.
  
  

[35:00] The shift in consciousness among leaders

• Both LaTonya and Kvon are seeing more executives say, “Everything I believed about leadership… I’m not sure anymore.”
  
  
• Leaders are wrestling with gratitude for opportunity and a growing awareness that the culture and pace are misaligned with who they want to be.
  
  

[40:00] Ego, echo chambers, and space for redemption

• They unpack ego: how Kvon now sees it as a part of us that can be directed toward good rather than shamed or suppressed.
  
  
• LaTonya raises questions about cancel culture, redemption, and whether we leave room for people to evolve as their consciousness shifts.
  
  

[46:00] Love as a leadership practice

• For Kvon, love means extending yourself for the spiritual growth of yourself and others.
  
  
• He asks in each hard situation: “What’s the most loving way to show up for me and for them?” Sometimes that looks like presence; sometimes it looks like distance and boundaries.
  
  

[51:00] Practical ways to lead more consciously

• Kvon shares three core practices: meditation, healing work (like psychotherapy), and coaching as the “creation” layer on top.
  
  
• LaTonya adds her own practices (energy work, movement, rest, and nature) and reflects on how they’ve both built lives that actually match their values.
  
  

[56:00] Where to find Kvon and closing thoughts

• Kvon shares where listeners can find him and Consciously.
  
  

LaTonya closes by naming this as a collective turning point in how we understand work, growth, and leadership – and invites listeners to reflect on their own next chapter.

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[00:00] Welcome and why this topic matters

• Mental health as leadership skill
• Why “resetting” is a modern leadership reality

[03:17] Meet Blythe Landry

• Therapist, grief expert, trauma specialist
• Helping people transform pain into purpose

[06:42] Community check-in & poll results

• How leaders are really feeling right now
• Common barriers to caring for mental health

[10:28] Micro-rest & reset rituals

• Small practices that create big grounding
• Healthy media hygiene & rest as resistance

[15:45] Discipline vs. urgency

• Why structure builds emotional freedom
• Routines that sustain nervous system health

[20:14] Somatics & the body’s wisdom

• Noticing sensations instead of reacting
• Mini-regulation tools you can use anywhere

[26:38] Boundaries & burnout protection

• Slowing down to prevent emotional fatigue
• Name it to navigate it

[30:54] Reflection from the community

• Hiking, journaling, therapy, breath work
• The power of connection & shared humanity

[35:20] Closing wisdom

• What grounding looks like in real life
• “We don’t worry alone here.”

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[00:00] Introduction — Welcoming Dr. Caroline Adelman and setting the stage for a deep conversation on mental health and leadership.

[03:20] The role of intergenerational stories and resilience.

[07:45] Connection as the antidote to stress and disconnection.

[14:10] Understanding how chronic stress hijacks our brains — and what leaders can do about it.

[20:00] What followers need most from leaders in uncertain times: trust, compassion, stability, and hope.

[28:40] How to ground teams when the world feels chaotic.

[36:15] Practical, evidence-based mental health practices for leaders and teams.

[45:30] When to know someone might need therapy — and how leaders can respond with empathy.

[53:00] Final reflections: why we can’t do this alone and how to model human-centered leadership.

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[00:00] Welcome + second edition book update

[02:15] Why revisit dominant leadership standards now

[05:10] Different types of leadership (authoritarian, relational, servant, situational)

[10:20] Authoritarianism’s rise & why fear-based control fails long term

[14:50] Chapter 2 insights: The Dominant Leadership Standard explained

[19:30] Returns on relational leadership—alignment, innovation, and trust

[24:40] Situational leadership & coaching cultures as relational tools

[28:15] How to stick with relational leadership when pressured to conform

[32:00] Closing thoughts + teaser for next episode on mental health practices

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• 00:00 — Welcome & intro
  
• 01:30 — Book update: Second Edition coming September
  
• 03:30 — Why this episode: origin of Below the Surface Leadership
  
• 06:00 — #1 Stronger leadership alignment
  
• 08:00 — #2 REAL framework as daily practice
  
• 10:00 — #3 Inclusive decision-making & P2B listening
  
• 12:30 — #4 Psychological safety as a norm
  
• 15:00 — #5 Better team dynamics
  
• 16:30 — #6 Bias awareness & the “terrible three”
  
• 19:00 — #7 Authentic leadership in a surface world
  
• 21:30 — #8 Navigating surface culture
  
• 22:30 — #9 Real belonging
  
• 24:00 — #10 Shared language for change (AI & uncertainty)
  
• 27:00 — Recap + call to action
  

Podcast Summary Transcript: 

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• 00:00 – Introduction & announcements (book news + podcast schedule)
• 04:00 – Why psychological safety matters now more than ever
• 06:30 – Misconception #1: Psychological safety = being nice
• 12:30 – Misconception #2: Psychological safety = getting your way
• 16:00 – Misconception #3: Psychological safety = job security
• 19:30 – Misconception #4: Safety requires a trade-off with performance
• 22:30 – Misconception #5: Safety is just a policy
• 24:30 – Misconception #6: Safety requires a top-down approach
• 28:30 – Three tips to keep psychological safety alive
• 34:00 – Closing & what’s next on the podcast

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00:00 – Introduction and welcome

• LaTonya introduces the theme of selling without selling out
  
  
• Why this topic matters for everyone, not just sales pros
  
  

03:00 – Kelly’s background and passion for sales

• From corporate sales leadership to startup consulting
  
  
• What she’s learned about revenue from different environments
  
  

07:15 – Why empathy is the secret sales advantage

• How empathy changes the conversation
  
  
• Why pushy sales approaches fail in the long run
  
  

12:00 – Selling yourself without being “salesy”

• Reframing sales as connection and problem-solving
  
  
• Identifying your unique value without overselling
  
  

18:30 – Common mistakes people make in self-promotion

• The trap of overexplaining or underselling
  
  
• How to strike the right balance
  
  

23:15 – Practical strategies for selling in any role

• Techniques you can use even if “sales” isn’t in your title
  
  
• Building confidence and clarity in your pitch
  
  

28:00 – Closing thoughts and takeaways

• Kelly’s advice for anyone struggling to put themselves out there
  
  
• How to practice selling in a way that feels authentic

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[00:00] Introduction and welcome back

• LaTonya returns after a brief hiatus and introduces the theme: why listening matters now more than ever

   

• Reflects on the current rise in fear and anxiety in the workplace

   

[02:40] Why listening is harder right now

• Empathy has declined, and fear is creating reactive, defensive environments

   

• Many leaders are struggling to listen due to overwhelming noise and uncertainty

   

[04:50] Coaching story: Navigating fear in an executive team

• LaTonya shares a story of a leadership team that seemed defensive—but was actually afraid

   

• Instead of pushing, she chose to “meander in the muck” and listen more deeply

   

[09:10] Rethinking “active listening”

• Active listening is helpful but basic; today’s environment calls for deeper methods

   

• Listening is more than ears—it includes body language, intuition, and presence

   

[11:45] Person-to-Person (P2P) Listening

• Involves full presence, multiple senses, and deep attention

   

• Best used in 1:1s or small groups for authentic human connection

   

[13:10] Person-to-Belonging (P2B) Listening

• Observes the collective dynamic in a group setting

   

• Powerful for identifying unspoken patterns and relational energy

   

[15:45] How listening shifts leadership and group behavior

• Through P2B listening, the executive team began to challenge each other constructively

   

• Trust was built not by direction, but through space and awareness

   

[17:00] How to become a better listener

• Step 1: Tune into your body before reacting

   

• Step 2: Check how much you’re truly listening vs. talking

   

[20:00] A story of self-regulation

• LaTonya shares a personal example of responding to a passive-aggressive comment

   

• Breathwork and curiosity helped her stay grounded and shift the conversation

   

[22:20] Final reflection and journal prompt

• Journal Prompt: Think of a moment that didn’t go as planned—what if you had listened 5 more minutes?

   

• Listening can help us uncover the real story, often beneath the surface

Episode Summary

In this solo episode, LaTonya Wilkins, award-winning executive coach and author of , breaks down the four attachment styles (anxious, avoidant, disorganized, and secure) and how they show up at work, in leadership, and in love.

You’ll walk away with:

• A quick self-diagnosis guide to help you identify your style
• Insights on how each style impacts your work relationships and leadership
• Coaching tips tailored to each style—no psychology degree required
• A powerful reminder that self-awareness is the gateway to becoming a better leader

Whether you’re leading teams, navigating workplace tension, or just trying to understand yourself better, this episode offers a grounded, human-centered framework to help you lead and live more authentically.

Resources from today’s episode:

• Ep. 47 – The Leadership Echo: How Childhood Trauma Affects the Way You Lead ft. Blythe Landry
• Change Coaches Guide to Create Psychological Safe Conversations Across Differences
• Change Coaches Newsletter

Connect with us:

Email us at ⁠info@changecoaches.io⁠

Learn more about Change Coaches⁠

Learn more about Coaching Below the Surface

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For More on the Book Leading Below the Surface

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Podcast Summary Transcript: 

[00:00] Welcome + Why Attachment Styles Matter

• LaTonya introduces the episode and explains why attachment styles are relevant in leadership.
• Shares who this episode is for: job hoppers, those who struggle with trust or relationships at work, and anyone reflecting on life patterns.

[01:45] Personal Story: Major Life Changes

• LaTonya reflects on her recent move and the end of a 12-year relationship.
• Talks about reconnecting with herself and how the Attached book helped make sense of it all.

[03:15] What Are Attachment Styles?

• Overview of the four common styles:
  1. Anxious
  2. Avoidant
  3. Disorganized
  4. Secure
• Notes that names vary, but these four are widely recognized.

[04:45] Quick Breakdown of Each Style

• Anxious: Craves closeness, fears abandonment, overanalyzes.
• Avoidant: Avoids intimacy, values independence, feels invaded by closeness.
• Disorganized: Push-pull dynamic, fears both closeness and abandonment.
• Secure: Comfortable with intimacy and conflict, expresses needs calmly.

[07:00] Self-Diagnosis Prompts

• Questions to help you spot your own style:
  • Do you trust your team easily?
  • Do you fear conflict or abandonment?
  • Are you too quick to give or too reluctant to connect?

[08:45] The Data: How Common Is Each Style?

• Approximate distribution:
  • Secure: 50–60%
  • Anxious: 20–25%
  • Avoidant: 20–25%
  • Disorganized: Smaller group
• It’s more common to shift from anxious to secure than from avoidant to secure.

[10:15] Why It All Matters at Work

• Attachment influences how we build trust, handle feedback, and show up for others.
• Unlike assessments like DiSC or Enneagram, this is about deep emotional wiring.

[11:30] Coaching Tips for Each Style

• Anxious: Journal, seek feedback, challenge old fears, ask “what’s really happening?”
• Avoidant: Ask for help, commit to showing up, slowly build emotional connection.
• Secure: Watch for emotional over-functioning or rescuing behaviors.

[13:30] Final Reflections + Next Steps

• Healing and self-awareness go hand in hand with great leadership.
• For deeper insight, revisit Episode 47 on trauma and leadership with Blythe Landry.

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